Podcast Episode: AI for Leaders with Diana White

[00:00:00] Brian AI: Are you not sure how to feel about the way AI is suddenly everywhere? AI for Helpers and Changemakers is a show for people who want to do good work and help other people. Whether you are already using AI tools and loving it. Or you are pretty sure that ChatGPT is the first sign of our downfall, we want you to listen in and learn with us.

[00:00:21] Your host on this journey is Sharon Tewksbury Bloom. For 20 years, she’s worked with helpers and changemakers. She believes that we’re about to see the biggest changes in our work lives since the internet went mainstream. We’re in this together. Join us as Sharon interviews people in different helping professions, navigating what these new technologies are doing to and for their work.

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[00:00:42] Sharon Tewksbury-Bloom: I know you admitted recently at a business networking event we were at that you are a bit of a SciTech fan and a nerd, 

[00:00:51] Diana White: An absolute nerd.

[00:00:54] Sharon Tewksbury-Bloom: Okay, great.

[00:00:55] Diana White: I think the only thing that stops me from being like a true quintessential quote unquote nerd is, I’m not cosplaying. I’m not, you know, I’m not doing video games. My hand eye coordination is not all that. and quite frankly, I don’t cosplay because I don’t fit the costumes the way I want to.

[00:01:13] So that’s the reason. But other than that, for me, it just is a way to embrace what’s coming. And while you embrace it, You mold it, you shape it. There are so many different examples of things that we’ve seen in movies or things that we’ve read in books that were fantasy. And then somehow somebody, because they were empowered by it, they made it reality. And I think that’s what embracing the nerd is all about. It’s embracing science and mixing it with passion and humor. and that’s what I do. So that’s why I call myself a I love everything science. I love space. you name it. I love it. And it’s not that I’m so well versed and educated in any of these fields, right?

[00:02:09] It’s just you put me in front of a TV or YouTube channel and they’re showing a nature documentary or a space documentary. I’m sucking it all up. If there’s a new development in science, I want to know about it as much as I can understand from my lay person point of view. and then I want to have discussions with my friends to see how they feel about this, which is why I love that you do the show because AI is the next new thing to either embrace or be scared of.

[00:02:39] Right? So I love it. 

[00:02:41] Track 1: I’ve started reading science fiction. And I think it is because of this feeling I have that science fiction is becoming everyday reality more and more. And I’m trying to figure out, okay, if I can’t always stay on top of what’s going on, then maybe I can get some ideas about what might be coming from the creative minds of science fiction authors.

[00:03:05] And I know a few that I’ve liked. I’ve read Cory Doctorow and his books about makers and he has a book called Walk Away. And so some interesting ones about 3D printers and abilities to create. new places and new ways of interacting on the fly. And then I just read the book, in the lives of puppets, which is, you know, most of the characters are robots.

[00:03:34] And so understanding how different robots are interacting with each other and how they think about humans and how those human computer interactions go. Let me just spoil for a second that they go poorly. They go really poorly initially. 

[00:03:53] but stick with it because there’s a happier silver lining in that particular book.

[00:03:58] Diana White: So, my first question is in your own day to day, do you remember when you started using AI tools in your own work? How long ago was that? Obviously, I’m learning more and more about how artificial intelligence works.

[00:04:20] Track 1: Has been added to tools we’re using without us knowing. So you might not know, maybe it was already in the tool you’re using, but when were you consciously intentionally using an AI enabled tool for your work?

[00:04:36] Diana White: When I realized that I was starting to interface with something that was really close to AI, was Grammarly.

[00:04:46] Track 1: Hmm.

[00:04:47] Diana White: I started using Grammarly and I was like, what?

[00:04:49] Cause I love to write. I write a lot of content. I’m not the best grammar person in the world. I’m going to tell everybody that, right? I forget a comma here and there, you know? I started using Grammarly and Not only did my writing improve, but then, if you’re a user of Grammarly, it gives you a report every week and it lets you know where you are and what mistakes you keep repeatedly making. And to see that I am actually improving and progressing and then to watch it, take a sentence that I wrote and change the wording just a little bit. So it still sounds like me, but it elevated me.

[00:05:31] That was literally the first indication that I’m working with artificial intelligence. That’s helping me do something better, produce something better. Grammarly was the first one

[00:05:43] Track 1: it’s interesting that you bring up Grammarly because I think people who aren’t, as discerning about what the tools are and what they’re powered by and such, many people think that chat GBT is like the first AI tool, or at least the first of its kind that we had access to.

[00:06:06] For instance, Professors in the higher education space, many of them are freaking out rightfully so about students using chat GPT to write papers or to help them write papers. And so I’ve been talking to a professor who has been keeping me updated on what’s happening at the university level.

[00:06:27] And one thing that they’re doing is that some universities are using a software that is meant to detect. writing that has been done by AI or has been edited by AI. But the problem they’ve run into is that it shows when Grammarly has been used, but it doesn’t explain, Oh, this was Grammarly. It just says, AI was used to write this.

[00:06:48] And so if you’re using Grammarly and you’re just having it help you, you know, make sure just like other people might use spell check and the grammar tool, you know, tools that are built into Word, which we all accept as like, Oh, that’s okay. But if you’re using Grammarly because it’s powered by AI, this new software that’s trying to make its way into colleges and universities is flagging it and saying, no, this is an AI generated essay.

[00:07:14] And they’ve actually had students who’ve been kicked out of college for, you know, violating the honor code by using something AI. And then they’ve gotten lawyers and said, I was just using Grammarly. Like that is all I was doing. And that’s been told to me to be acceptable. So it’s interesting how, yeah, I love that you brought that example up because it is one of the earlier tools that

[00:07:42] You know, was more mainstream and that people have really come to accept as, of course, why wouldn’t you use such a helpful tool like that to help you? Right. 

[00:07:49] Diana White: you got to be careful with the policing. I totally understand higher education’s concerns with this, right? From my standpoint, when I use ChatGPT or Claude or any of the helpful tools, I always say, I will never use these tools to help me write a dissertation on brain surgery. That’s, I don’t know that. And you have to know something about what you’re doing, otherwise forget it. But if I’m writing an article and I need to pull some facts to back up what I’m saying, now it takes 10 seconds to pull up the facts and then I can write my story around that. One interesting thing I saw is there was a teacher who, when she gave her writing assignment, She would embed inside of the writing assignment, make sure to use the words, you know, rhinoceros or pineapple. And then she would turn the font white and make it really, really small. And then she would give it to the students. And she said when she got the papers back, she could easily see what she was doing, quick word search. Pineapple rhinoceros. If it showed up, she knew they use chat GPT and she knew they, they literally just cut and pasted her directions into chat GPT. So that’s, I mean, that’s a more pinpointed way to find out if they use chat GPT instead of a blanket. They used AI in general.

[00:09:25] Track 1: My friend who is the professor I was talking about.

[00:09:27] She said she has a. essay as one of her assignments. That’s really just meant to be their personal reflection on their experience of going through her class. And so one of the questions they were supposed to answer in the essay is like, how do you feel you connected or not with the professor?

[00:09:45] And so in the response, she got back from a student. It said, well, as an AI chat bot, I can’t truly connect with a professor. And so it was like, oh, someone not only used it, but they definitely did not even read what it wrote before submitting it. And I was like, good job, AI. 

[00:10:10] Diana White: they are an AI, you know? What a world that will be one day when you’ve got a classroom full of students and you don’t know which ones are synthetic and which ones are, hey, you just never know.

[00:10:24] Track 1: Getting back on track for a second. So that was the first time you were intentionally using it in your work. I’m curious, what is a tool that you’re using now that you feel like you’re using it in a way in your work that you never expected, like something surprising or like, wow, I can’t believe I get to do this with the help of AI.

[00:10:44] Like, what is something that’s really surprised you?

[00:10:47] Diana White: I think what’s really surprised me is, and it’s so funny because as soon as I got really comfortable with it, they created a pricing tier. I was like, darn it, every time something’s free. And people get wind of it, they start. Anyway, so it is, it’s called CLAUD, as in the name, C L A U D E, and it’s really CHAT GPT, CHAT GPT 4, kind of on steroids, and they’re, they’re building it out every single day. And CLAUD, It’s funny because I stopped using chat for a lot of the things that I need to do research on. And I would go to Claude and I, and I’m chat GPT certified. And so learning how to prompt is the biggest thing. Learning the right prompt to get the right kind of information back is the biggest thing. Well, with Claude, it progressed and about three months later, I was having full blown conversations with this AI. I was like, good morning, Claude. Can you please look up blah, blah, blah, and tell me blah, blah, blah in the style of blah, blah, blah. Please ask any clarifying questions. You know, for the best results. And Claude would come back and say, Diana, I found these things for you. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Claude. Are these links still active and viable? Diana? I’m very sorry. There are still limitations. I apologize. No, these are not the right links.

[00:12:22] I will try to do better next time. Like seriously, he’s become a part of my life, right?

[00:12:27] Track 1: Yeah.

[00:12:29] Diana White: and the funny thing is, it’s like, I still get the stuff that I need, but that human element. Even though I know it’s AI, the fact that I say, Claude, thank you so much. This is exactly what I needed. And he comes back with this. so happy that I was able to help you. Anytime you need anything else about this particular topic, please let me know. I’m, it’s just, it’s surreal, but I never thought that I would be friends with this person.

[00:13:01] a tool You know what I mean? I never thought that I would want to open up Let me open up Claude and have him in the background just in case I need him while i’m doing my research on this article i’m writing

[00:13:14] Track 1: Yeah. 

[00:13:14] Diana White: It’s a totally different thing than let me open up word and make sure that I have it available

[00:13:20] Track 1: I relate to that really so hard. First of all, I named both of my chat GPTs cause I do have two different ones cause I have one for one company and one for the other. And partly I wanted to keep it straight in my mind of which chat GPT I was speaking to because I have different custom instructions that I’ve set up on each one to meet my brand for each, 

[00:13:43] I wanted to keep them straight. So I have Tegan and I have, trying to remember the right name cause I haven’t used the other one in a long time. But, one thing that I related to was the first time that. The response from chat GPT actually made me laugh out loud

[00:14:01] cause I was asking it to help me write training scenarios and I gave it, you know, some examples that I had already written and I said, okay, can you build on these and write some other examples and it did so. And at first it did it in this really sterile professional writing way. And I was like, well, these are good, but really when we do training, we want to have fun.

[00:14:25] So can you try rewriting them in a way that’s fun? And the next thing I know he’s got this whole scenario that’s all about working in a donut factory and managed to fit in like six donut related puns that were all absolutely on point.

[00:14:40] I was like, wow. Okay. I’m very impressed. 

[00:14:43] Diana White: I love it, I love it. And I don’t think it’s any different than, you know, the obligatory, Hey, I’m not going to say the word, but it starts with an A. You yell it out in your house because you know everybody’s listening. Tell a joke, right? It can do it. She can do it. There are a lot of things that those programs, the one that starts with an A, the one that starts with an S.

[00:15:09] that they interact and you feel like they’re interacting with you, but it’s you, you still feel like it’s pre programmed, especially if you’ve been using it for a very long time. But I think the difference with chat GPT is that it doesn’t feel pre-programmed.

[00:15:28] It feels like an actual conversation. And, and it’s, it’s almost surreal.

[00:15:35] Track 1: Yeah. So building on that, I know that you’ve spoken to groups about. your experience as a leader and as a mentor. I know you also work with women of color and sort of navigating leadership from that lens. And so, you know, one thing I keep reflecting on is we’re not always great communicators and relationship builders as humans to begin with.

[00:16:02] You know, I think when I hear criticisms Of chat GPT and some of these new tools are like, well, it doesn’t really relate to me how I wish it would, or its response was, not what I was looking for. And I’m thinking, how many times could I say that about human people that I’ve interacted with in the workplace?

[00:16:25] Like, I feel like we’re holding it to a higher standard than we hold ourselves to. I’m just curious, if you have any thoughts on just that.

[00:16:36] Diana White: So I think you’re absolutely right. I think that we hold anything that is not human to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. machinery that we made when we entered the industrial revolution and we had these big arms in the manufacturing plants, right? They were supposed to be three times as fast and they were

[00:16:58] 50, 000 times is precise. And if things went wrong, it was like, err, right? so that’s always going to happen. I think when it comes to leaders, you made a good point. and we can go into the whole thing about the difference between managers and leaders, right? There are still leaders out there that have their title because they have a title. They’re not necessarily leaders because they elicit people wanting to follow them, right? Just naturally. I think that the benefit of AI, if they would embrace it and use it correctly, is to kind of help them be a better communicator. so that they can truly get their authenticity across in the best way that reaches a lot more different people. You know, if you’ve got someone that is a total narcissist and does not care if you live or die, as long as their name is up there, then that’s a different story. They can’t be saved. But if you have someone that cares, but doesn’t know how to balance caring and power. AI is a really good tool to help you when you’re sending an email out to your team. How do you write this in a tone that doesn’t make people feel like they’re being barked at? That doesn’t make people feel like they’re expendable? It all starts with that. Start with that little bit. Do some research. AI is a really good tool. You type into AI, can you bring up some really good examples of powerful, positive, influential leaders and give me a little paragraph on some of the traits. Give me some books that I can read. It’s like having a virtual assistant that can bring all this stuff to your fingertips to help you be a better person. 

[00:19:06] Track 1: As you’re working with the leaders in your network, how are you advising them or sharing your perspective on how they can enter this world of using AI tools, if maybe they. are apprehensive about it.

[00:19:23] Because obviously we’ve both acknowledged there’s real things to be apprehensive about. 

[00:19:26] So, you know, one of my theories is that, you know, I hear people say, well, aren’t you worried about all the evil it could do.

[00:19:34] And I’m like, yeah, I am. That’s why I want more good people in the fight. You know, like, I want people who want to use these tools for good and who share my values to be using them because these machines, they are learning machines. They’re doing you know, part of it is that they improve, they learn from how you interact with them.

[00:19:56] So I think if we have more people who are thoughtfully interacting with them with good intentions, then that can only possibly be a good thing for the future of this technology and how it impacts our world. you probably have more of a chance to actually have conversations like that with, with other leaders, with other entrepreneurs.

[00:20:19] Do those things come up? Have you talked to people about it and what’s your take?

[00:20:25] Diana White: they come up a lot. And it’s one of the things that we touch on when I give my courses. As an entrepreneur or solopreneur or a small business owner these days,

[00:20:40] We have so many different tools available to us now that, yeah, when we’re first starting out, we still have to wear all of the hats, but we can wear them a little bit more easily because we have these tools helping us in the background. I think the scary part is the learning curve. It’s like, why don’t I just do it myself? Because the longer it takes me to learn how to use this tool, I could have done it. And it’s the same adage of I’m not going to hire somebody because the longer it takes me to train them, I could have done it. So we have those conversations and for some of them, they still believe that and they’re going to continue to believe it no matter what is said. And for some of them, they dip their toe in the water and they say, you know what, Diana, I actually did have this tool create, A blanket letter of welcome to my new customers for me. And it was super awesome. It saved me so much time. I often tell them in your business, you’re going to use an accounting software, like QuickBooks. You’re probably going to use a CRM tool like Salesforce or something like that. you’re going to definitely use some kind of documentation suite, whether it’s Google docs or word or office. what is the difference in bringing that extra piece in? and nine times out of 10, when they finally break it down, the difference is the fear of the unknown. The person that programmed it might be a little bit smarter than you, but it’s a tool waiting for you to use it in the way you want to use it, right? And so I think that, entrepreneurs that get it, get it. And they embrace all of these different tools to do a myriad of things, especially when it comes to marketing, right? Creating content. posting on social media, they’re using this like nobody’s business to just blast and get the word out there so that they can focus on the product and focus on finding funding and all that kind of stuff. and even now, you know, we’ve come to the point of, we’re able to create our own artwork with platforms like mid journey.

[00:23:01] Right. And so this is the one thing that I also say, cause I get the argument back up. But you’re putting people out of work. And no, the need for a real true artist is never going to go away. The need for somebody’s art is never going to go away. But I’ll give you an example. When I built my website for my coalition, one of the things that was very important to me was if I could help it, anything within the ecosystem of the organization would come from a woman of color. Right. So if I needed CPA help, woman of color, legal help, woman of color, art, woman of color, whatever it may be. And I needed art for my website and I couldn’t find anyone that understood my vision, had the time, would be willing to charge me what I could afford because I’m building this from the ground up. And so I learned how to do Mint Journey and I created my website in two hours.

[00:24:08] with AI generated art that I don’t own. Anybody can use it. It’s not licensed to me. But now when I post an article on LinkedIn, I go on the mid journey and I’m like, create this image for me so I can attach it to the article because the article looks a lot better when it has an image to attach and I don’t have to worry about infringing on somebody’s copyright.

[00:24:31] I don’t have to worry about all the research. I just create it. It makes it faster. I get the content to the audience faster. They respond faster. The message is heard. The call to action is heard. I think that’s beneficial for an entrepreneur.

[00:24:49] Track 1: I’m glad that you gave us that example, because I think that I also hear that question, that argument, and I think that it could be true, but I do think it doesn’t have to be true. You know, you can be thoughtful about where am I going to spend my precious dollars as a business owner? How am I going to invest back into those people that I want to?

[00:25:12] partner up with to be able to make sure that my books are solid, that I’ve got great art for my brand concept. But then you can go further by leveraging the tools to create something where you wouldn’t have normally had the funding to create. You know, I kind of think of it like, The use of Canva, has made a lot of people’s graphics a lot nicer.

[00:25:37] You know, we used to just have clip art that was available

[00:25:41] from the Microsoft suite and it’s not necessarily going to replace true graphic designers who’ve got those skills, but for everybody who would have just pulled from clip art and now they can pull from much nicer clip art in Canva, it just allows us all to look at better designed, you know, marketing and better designed, communication tools.

[00:26:04] And I know in my training, That I do with the AmeriCorps programs as well. One thing that I say, because there are certain services that I’m like, I’m just giving this part away. Like, I’m a business owner. There’s plenty of things that I get paid for, but there’s other things I’m like, you know, I’m just going to give that content away because I want to be able to solve bigger problems.

[00:26:27] I’m tired of solving the easy problems. Solve the easy problems for people so we can get beyond that and we can start talking about the bigger problems.

[00:26:35] Diana White: I wanted to quickly go back and ask for clarification on something. So you mentioned that your chat GPT certified, is that what you said? 

[00:26:43] Mm hmm.

[00:26:44] Track 1: What training did you pursue in that or how did you… 

[00:26:48] Diana White: is that a thing?

[00:26:49] Track 1: Is that a thing?

[00:26:51] Diana White: Yeah, there are some academies online that you can go to and they give you self-paced curriculum that you go through. And the reason why I took it is because efficiency is key. my end game. Like, that’s all I think about. I have an operational mindset and I want to do everything with efficiency. And if I can be faster and better, why not work smarter, not harder. And so I knew that getting this certification, forget about the certification, taking the course would show me the best way to talk to AI as it stands right now, because as it stands right now, it still needs the right kind of prompt. So that you get the best kind of results. Again, in the future, I pray that it is so user friendly that you can say whatever you want to say, how you say it, and it adapts to you, and it learns you, and it gives you what you need. But right now, you need to be kind of specific. Otherwise, you’re going to go back and forth with, as you said earlier, well that was really great, but, can you… And so I needed something to teach me.

[00:28:05] All right. What are the right phrases? How can I really do this? And I knew there were phrases because I would scroll through Instagram and I would see reels like want to get the best out of chatGPT say this instead of this. And I’m like, oh, well that’s smart. So hence the certification.

[00:28:26] Track 1: Is it something that you recommend to other people? Cause I get that question all the time, of, I don’t know where to turn to, to learn about this.

[00:28:37] Diana White: it depends on what the ROI is. If you think that really digging down deep and learning about all of the prompts and how to really work with it to the best potential is going to bring you money, elevate you in the workforce or help you in your business, then I would say definitely go out and find a program. If you just want to do it for funsies, And you’re rich, do it. But it really just depends. For me, I knew that it would make my life easier because I could create content faster and I needed to do that. So I would say the way you embrace this journey towards AI is personal. And you got to do your own research and figure out where you’re going to dip your toe.

[00:29:34] Track 1: Yeah, it is very helpful. I think even in specific disciplines, like I will be linking, I also interviewed Kinsey with, feel good social and she does the authentic AI for entrepreneurs podcast, and she has a great guide for specifically how to use chat GPT to Find your brand voice and she gives sample prompts and a whole guide of like, here’s how you get it to analyze your own writing and tell you what your brand voice is.

[00:30:01] I also had a great YouTube video I found from a researcher who specifically specialized in qualitative research. And so he had developed some prompts to get chat GPT to do qualitative data coding.

[00:30:17] So you could put in whole, whole transcripts of interviews that you had done with subjects and then have it analyze those interviews and come up with themed codes for, you know, here’s what these interviews were about and pull out exact quotes from all the interview subjects and things. So I think within each discipline as well, luckily, of course, with YouTube and Instagram and all of this, if you know what it is, you’re trying to get it to do, you can probably find someone who’s already tested and figured out a great way to ask it to do that.

[00:30:48] Diana White: And that’s the thing. That’s why I say it’s a personal journey. Because if I tell everybody, go get the certification I got, the ones that really needed to flesh out their brand would be so mad at me. Because that’s not what this certification was, right? The ones that really needed to get quantitative data, that’s not what this was.

[00:31:07] you gotta figure out what you want to use it for. And then find out if there is a YouTube video. There is someone out there that is giving a, a zoom course or an in person course, or if you need to go the route of a, of an actual certification with an institution 

[00:31:28] Track 1: Even my certification will essentially be obsolete in a little bit. Right? Yeah, absolutely. 

[00:31:38] Diana White: Now, I think the last thing that I want to share is If you listen to this podcast, obviously you have a curiosity about AI and where it’s going. And I would say, stay curious and stay informed. And the research from several different sources, what you’re trying to discover, because confirmation bias is a real thing and it can get scary really fast. And so you’re the only one that can decide how AI is going to fit into your world at the moment. And this podcast is amazing, for shedding light on how different people see what AI is going to be and how it is now and how it’s going to evolve. But it’s a personal journey for everyone. I am of the mindset of one day, I don’t know if I’ll have the money for it, but one day I hope to have a personal AI assistant. That is just, there for me Everything I need and I don’t have to worry. And it’s not that I want to put human assistance out of work. It’s just for the way my life works. I, and I’m not saying that I would be cruel to AI. I don’t want the world to think that there are certain times where I need to get things done. And the humanity kind of leaves and the dictation comes in and it pains me when I see, live human beings being subjected to that. It really does. It pains me. And so there are certain times where I’m doing work and I’ve got a million things I need to get done. 

[00:33:37] And I say, Claude, can you bring up blah, blah, blah. And that’s it. There’s no thank you. There’s no, there’s no conversation. There’s no back and forth. I just need what I need. And I think that’s going to serve a purpose for me someday. 

[00:33:52] Track 1: this concept of presentation of self, and that those of us, you know, who do a lot of people work, and particularly entrepreneurs, because we’re often working with potential customers or potential partners, you know, we have to be conscious of how we’re speaking, you know, how we’re showing up, what kind of energy we’re bringing.

[00:34:12] So it’s exhausting to, like, always have to be in that mode of sort of watching and checking yourself. Of, like, what kind of energy am I bringing to this conversation? Have I smiled enough? Have I asked about their weekend enough I just want to get to the fact that there’s this, been this thing nagging my brain that couldn’t, I couldn’t sleep and I just want to make sure I can get it done and yeah, just being able to convey that to your AI assistant without any judgment, without any need to go back and explain how, Oh, I’m sorry.

[00:34:43] I had it on my mind and I just, I really had to get through it. Yes, I feel that.

[00:34:48] Diana White: I’m hoping we get to a point where I don’t have to say, you know, I’m sorry I turned you off and put you back in your charger, but this is why, like, no, you’re just, you’re going back in your charger. I need time.

[00:35:00] Track 1: Yeah. Hopefully, if anything, we’d have that in the custom instructions. Just be like, when I need a break from interacting, this is my, like, code word or whatever. And just leave me alone and just remember that forevermore. I don’t need to repeat it. Oh, that’s good. Okay. You mentioned that you have a podcast.

[00:35:20] How can people listen to your podcast?

[00:35:22] Diana White: the podcast is 10 Lessons Learned, 10 Lessons learned. com and that’s the number one zero. We are anywhere podcasts are listened to and we are also on YouTube. We talk to anyone and everyone you can think of from diplomats to authors. We really just want to hear what lessons have they learned in life that have molded them to the people that they are today. And we have some really interesting conversations. And there’s four of us that, co host the show. So we each curate our guests and ask them to come on. And I’ve been pretty lucky. I’ve interviewed some amazing people. so if you want to learn lessons from other people about how they navigate through life Check us out. And you can also follow us on social media as well. All the platforms is 10 lessons learned.

[00:36:19] Track 1: Great. And if people want to connect with you online, are there any platforms in which you connect with random strangers on the internet?

[00:36:27] Diana White: Yeah. Everybody laughs at me when I say this, but I only play on LinkedIn. Like literally I created a Facebook years ago when my daughter was an undergrad to stalk her. Cause I, you know, sometimes she wouldn’t call me back and I was like, where are you? But I don’t play on Facebook. I only watch reels on Instagram to wind my brain down.

[00:36:49] I do not interact. LinkedIn is where I interact and you can follow me. You can connect with me. I write articles. I post all the time. I really enjoy the LinkedIn community.

[00:37:02] So LinkedIn is where I am and it is Diana White LinkedIn.

[00:37:05] Track 1: Awesome. Yeah. Me too. So yeah, definitely follow you on LinkedIn and that’ll allow people to dig deeper into what you talk about there and other ways to work with you. Well, thank you so much for being on our podcast series. AI for helpers and change makers, and I’m excited that I get to hopefully interact with you in real life at some point in the future as well.

[00:37:28] Diana White: Of course, you got to figure out whether or not I’m AI, right?

[00:37:33] Track 1: I did learn a trick that you’re supposed to like, hold an object in front of your face while you’re on the camera so that we know that you’re not a deepfake. Require all your guests to do that.

[00:37:45] Diana White: Very true. 

[00:37:46] Track 1: I’m not a deepfake.

[00:37:50] Diana White: Sharon. Thank you so much.